Thursday, June 04, 2009
The Interview that Netanyau did NOT Give
The Interview Netanyahu Didn't Give
By: Steven Plaut
Date: Wednesday, June 03 2009
While in the U.S. last month, Prime Minister Netanyahu gave a number of
interviews. The following is one he did not give, though I wish he would
Interviewer: In your recent talks in Washington, Obama administration
officials, including Secretary of State Clinton, repeatedly stressed their
view that only a "two-state solution," one in which a Palestinian state is
erected alongside Israel, can create a lasting peace in the Middle East.
What is your position and that of your government on the idea of a
Netanyahu: We prefer a solution based on time travel in a time machine at
speeds faster than light.
Interviewer: What does that mean? There are no time machines or anything
that can produce speeds faster than that of light.
Netanyahu: Yes, exactly like the two-state solution. No two-state solution
exists or is possible, just like time machines are not possible. One can
perhaps imagine a situation in which two states, Israel and "Palestine,"
exist, just like you can imagine a time machine, but this represents no
solution at all.
People can sit around and concoct fictional imaginary worlds in which
there do exist two-state solutions to the Arab-Israeli conflict. But no
such solution exists in our galaxy. I have never much liked science
fiction and prefer to restrict my thinking about political solutions to
the realm of non-fiction.
Interviewer: So if the two-state solution is out, what is the alternative?
Netanyahu: I call it the 23-state solution. The Arabs get to keep the 22
states they already have and the Jews keep the one state they have. The
Palestinians get no state. They are welcome to move to any of the 22 Arabs
states if they are unhappy with that idea.
Interviewer: Well, you still must have some thoughts on the overall
parameters within which any resolution of the conflict must be pursued.
Netanyahu: Yes. The right way to begin to think about resolving the
conflict is to start from the end and first rule out what will not and
cannot happen - ideas and proposals with which there will be no compromise
and no negotiations. We are willing to take under consideration any
program or proposal for peace that is formulated within those structural
parameters, and there are quite a few conceivable such ones.
Interviewer: So what are those ironclad parameters?
Netanyahu: There are two, and no negotiations of any sort and no solution
will ever be possible unless everyone understands that these must serve as
the starting points for any resolution of the Middle East conflict: There
will be no new independent Palestinian state west of the Jordan river, and
the Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza will not be granted
citizenship in Israel.
Any idea or plan that accepts those two axioms as its points of departure
is one we are willing to take under consideration.
Netanyahu: A Palestinian state is out because its raison d'etre would be
aggression and terror against Israel, and we are not willing to grant the
Palestinians a new base from which to launch war. No Palestinian state in
any form, no matter its borders or the group serving as its leadership or
ruling class, will coexist with Israel. Any Palestinian state will seek
Anyone with any doubts that "Palestine" would be nothing more
than a rocket-launching base and terrorist dispatch point need only look
at what happened in Gaza after Israel foolishly abandoned it. There is no
doubt or question about what such a "state" would pursue. Therefore there
will be no such state.
Interviewer: That still leaves Israel's own Arab minority. What do you
propose for those Israeli Arabs who are unwilling to live peacefully as an
ethnic minority within a Jewish state with a dominant Jewish majority?
Netanyahu: A one-way plane ticket, coach, to the destination of their
choice outside of Israel.
Interviewer: What about the problem of all the Jewish settlers and
Netanyahu: I do not see any problem. In any resolution of the conflict,
Jews will have to be as free to move and live among Arabs as Arabs already
are free to move and live among Jews. A "peace plan" that requires that
Jews be ethnically cleansed out of areas with Arab majorities is no peace
plan at all.
I have already ruled out a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank. We
are willing to consider alternative plans that satisfy the two axioms I
discussed above. But I expect we would refuse to agree to any scenario in
which Jews are prevented from living among Arabs the same way Arabs live
among Jews. The Arab states may remain apartheid regimes, but we will not
have ethnic cleansing of Jews in a Palestinian apartheid state in our own
Interviewer: So what exactly do you propose doing about the Jewish
Netanyahu: Build lots more of them. The settlers are Israel's mine
canaries. The attitude of the Arabs toward Jewish settlers is a litmus
test and a warning sign of Arab attitudes toward Jews in general. Until
the Arabs are willing to make their peace with the idea of Jewish settlers
living in their midst, there is no reason to believe they are willing to
come to terms with Israel existing as a state within their midst. And
until the Arabs come to terms with the existence of a Jewish state in
their midst, the search for "peace solutions" is a complete waste of
Interviewer: Many people think Jerusalem is the hardest issue of all to
solve. Do you agree?
Netanyahu: No. Jerusalem is the easiest. We have a very simple, flexible
and clear position on Jerusalem. It is this: They can't have it. That is
our solution. We offer them nothing at all. Absolutely nothing. Muslims who
wish to pray in the Jerusalem mosques can do so, same as members of other
religions are free to attend their houses of worship. In terms of
sovereignty and political or administrative control, we agree to grant
them nothing at all.
Interviewer: Do you think the Arabs will agree to that?
Netanyahu: No. In fact, let me be even more blunt. If the Arabs offer us a
choice between 1,000 years of war, bloodshed and strife or immediate peace
in exchange for Israel giving up Jerusalem, we choose the 1,000 years of
Interviewer: But a lot of people around the world will be unhappy with
that approach and denounce you for it.
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